“The cynicism of this notion is impressive, if also disgusting.” – Christian Lorentzen, “Literature without Literature”
“Publishing houses, publicists, agents, and even editors do not create works of literature. The creator does.” – Ross Barkan, “The War on Genius”
In this episode of Eminent Americans, I talk with Christian Lorentzen, Ross Barkan, and Zain Khalid about Christian's recent piece in Granta, “Literature Without Literature,” which was the talk of the literary scene for a few weeks.
Christian’s piece is both a (highly disparaging) review of Dan Sinykin’s Big Fiction: How Conglomeration Changed the Publishing Industry and American Literature and a broader critique of the sociological turn in the academic study of literature.
On this broader point, Christian writes:
“These warped views of literature reflect a shared tendency to explain art with minimal reference to the art itself. Novels are instead considered as commodities and demographic specimens, the products of structures, systems, and historical forces. They become expressions of brands, their authors threadbare entrepreneurs. Fiction recedes behind the chatter it generates and is judged according not to its intrinsic qualities but to the sort of reader whose existence it implies. Authors are turned into role models and style icons, mythologized for their virtues, and crucified for their sins. The numbers, as if they have meaning, are counted. The dream is of literature that can be quantified rather than read.”
We talk about the piece, my profound misunderstanding of Christian’s motives, Ross's ambivalent experience of graduate school, when Zain is going to get his act together and get a real job, and the terror and wonder of Christian’s life as an eternal freelancer.
00:00 Introduction and Technical Difficulties
00:35 Meet the Guests
2:25 The backstory on “Literature Without Literature”
07:43 Discussion on Literary Criticism and Market Forces
16:26 Ross's Academic Background and Views on Literature
20:18 Christian's Perspective on Academia and Writing
31:31 Zane's Insights on Writing and Influence
34:06 The Art of Writing and Transitions
35:34 A Hilarious Excerpt and Reflections on Academic Careerism
37:46 Balancing Writing and Life
41:01 The Struggles of a Writer's Life
45:36 Future Plans and Career Reflections
49:28 Current Projects and Final Thoughts
Literature w/out Lorentzen